EU Referendum


Harrogate conference: two days to go


12/07/2012



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The posts so far have generated an interesting and significant volume of discussion on the forum, without being overwhelming in numbers. It has been suggested that I open up the forum for new members, which I will do next week, in order to widen the discussion. 

One subject which has emerged is the vexed issue of immigration, which invokes considerable passion and some heat. Coincidentally, we see reported a claim that some five million non-EU immigrants are living in the UK – many from so-called developing countries. 

Clearly, this is an intolerable situation, and one which occurred without there ever having been a democratic mandate. Nobody ever gave permission for the politicians to allow so many people into the country, with all the stresses and strains it has caused, and continues to cause. 

In framing our demands, it has been suggested that it would be unrealistic to ignore what has happened, and we are thus faced with a new test. How would we stop such a thing as this wave of unwanted immigration happening again? 

Somehow, it seems to me that there must be a way of empowering the people to intervene when the political process has gone off the rails, and enabling them to stop a particular policy being implemented, or otherwise enforce changes. And the election mechanism would hardly seem sufficient. 

 One way out would be the introduction of something like the Californian system, the so-called "ballot proposition", where a public petition under the "initiative system" can end up with a referendum on a new law. There can also be a "people's veto" to annul a law that has already been adopted by the legislature.

I am not sure the idea of making law by popular vote is a good one – it seems to easy to abuse. But the idea of a veto seems to me to have some merit. That alone could have us out of the EU, or force the government into taking action which would have like effect. 

Should the initial hurdle be set high enough to prevent frivolous referendums, it seems to me that this system could be a valuable addition to our armoury. After all, we have seen so many instance where government has lost the plot and parliament has failed to check its stupidity. The Climate Change Act is a case in point. 

Similarly, with the government embarking on a round of excessive and disruptive immigration, we should have had the facility to intervene. So, with one more post to go before the meeting day, we have yet more to think about. This is going to be an interesting event. 

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