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#1 Posted : 24 October 2012 23:47:34(UTC)
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Apparently random incidents are very often not so in EU politics. Thus, when former EU commission president Romano Prodi pops up out of nowhere and starts talking about British "isolationism", there is probably an agenda afoot.

Prodi is pretty confident that a eurozone break-up is no longer on the cards, and now sees the UK as the country in danger. As it becomes "more peripheral towards Brussels", gradually disengaging from "Europe", Britain will lose influence and eventually face "grave difficulties".

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#2 Posted : 25 October 2012 01:35:19(UTC)
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At this point in time, why would anyone except for those mesmerized by Big Brother think that Cameron actually WANTS "renegotiation"???
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#3 Posted : 25 October 2012 06:53:17(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Speaking of Cameron, the Prodi warns: "He will not stop Europe. He will simply get out of the room in which decisions are being made".

Since Britain's veto on the EU's fiscal treaty in December last year, senior EU and politicians now seem to accept that Britain should be left to cuts ties from the rest of the continent.

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It seems that I have missed something: I was laboring under the impression that the Veto of Cameron was a myth. Is this true, or has the myth taken on mythological proportions were it might as well be true?

I note that Luke Baker says:
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Britain seems to be saying "bye bye" to EU, says Finland

British officials insist their government wants to remain part of the EU but over the past year Prime Minister David Cameron has taken an increasingly tough line...
I also find this surprising since I have never known a feather to take or hold a cutting edge.

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#4 Posted : 25 October 2012 07:42:25(UTC)
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I think the Cameron's non veto was akin to farting at a party.....it doesnt really stop anything but it gets the dissaproval of the rest of the room.Party carries on just the same though, just you find no one wants to talk to you now.BigGrin
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#5 Posted : 25 October 2012 10:11:09(UTC)
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Michael Gove seems to be on the right path though,but no mention of Article 50 exactly, the threat to leave is there...is it what he means?


http://www.dailymail.co....-dramatic-admission.html

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#6 Posted : 25 October 2012 10:14:55(UTC)
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"It's almost", he says, "as if the boat is pulling away and one of our best friends is somehow saying 'bye bye' and there's not really that much we can do about it", Stubb says.

Yer mean er like watchin the Titanic sink from a lifeboat. LOL
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#7 Posted : 25 October 2012 10:22:09(UTC)
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Might be good to spread this to message to our simpleton Torys, particularly when seeing things like this following my last post:

http://order-order.com/2...-against-carswell-bill/

Might be worth giving them rebuttals?
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#8 Posted : 25 October 2012 10:35:58(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: tomrat247 Go to Quoted Post
Might be good to spread this to message to our simpleton Torys, particularly when seeing things like this following my last post:

http://order-order.com/2...-against-carswell-bill/

Might be worth giving them rebuttals?



There is no cure for simpleton Tories.

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#9 Posted : 25 October 2012 11:04:52(UTC)
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This looks like the first shots in a border skirmish that then develops a life of its own. Whatever the reason, I very much suspect that insulting &/or mocking Britain won't win the EU this argument. So, if they realize that, they must want us out - good! And if they don't appreciate that the days when they could demand UK obedience are over (or close to it), & instead think that hostile words (& perhaps actions too) will make Britain roll over as it has always done so before, then I hope they are thoroughly mistaken.

If the EU plays heavy, & Cameron doesn't have the guts or desire to confront them, then that surely will be the end of him - hopefully sooner rather than later. The sharks, in the form of alternative UK leaders, are beginning to circle.

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#10 Posted : 25 October 2012 12:54:23(UTC)
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One has to realise that the colleagues are in a state of total panic, their prized dream is falling apart around their ears, as the Zero ruins everything it touches.

They think they have a solution, one which the UK cannot possibly be part of, so in their desperation they are prepared to boot us out, despite that being against everything they have ever stood for,, as it blows apart the Aquis concept and the idea of ever closer union.

That they are prepared to junk Aquis and ever closer union, to try and save the zero shows their panic. Prodi's comments are just bluster, to try and save face and they are makeing yet another fatal mistake, for once we leave others will want out, rather than stay in the fiscal hell of the Zero. especially when we prosper once out.......that is if their crazed world even lasts long enough.to make it apparent .

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#11 Posted : 25 October 2012 13:04:25(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: tomrat247 Go to Quoted Post
Might be good to spread this to message to our simpleton Torys, particularly when seeing things like this following my last post:

http://order-order.com/2...-against-carswell-bill/

Might be worth giving them rebuttals?



There is no cure for simpleton Tories.



I disagree...there is one...

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#12 Posted : 25 October 2012 13:30:13(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: TheBoilingFrog Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: richard Go to Quoted Post
Originally Posted by: tomrat247 Go to Quoted Post
Might be good to spread this to message to our simpleton Torys, particularly when seeing things like this following my last post:

http://order-order.com/2...-against-carswell-bill/

Might be worth giving them rebuttals?



There is no cure for simpleton Tories.



I disagree...there is one...





That's not exactly a "cure" ... trooo, it solves the problem, but it doesn't cure the patient.

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#13 Posted : 25 October 2012 16:15:27(UTC)
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I guess I am of the suspicious sort. Cameron could not possibly tell his colleagues, MP's and the country, that it is in Britain's best interests to be at the 'top table' of the EU and thereby 'closer' ties to the EU are needed. Otherwise, Britain will be left out in the cold, with no friends etc.

Better to get one's 'friends' to mention it, and all the dire consequences such isolation would entail. Loss of jobs, trade, position etc.

Whenever these people run out of legitimate excuses, they resort to scare tactics or subtle threats. Well, I for one am NOT impressed !

But since when have we the plebs ever mattered in anything ?
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#14 Posted : 25 October 2012 18:27:00(UTC)
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There are some ex Soviet republics in the far east of Siberia and towards the USSRs old southern borders which arguably are more corrupt than Prodi's home country.

This jumped up and pompous s**7 stirring little ar*e licker - is a tick bite and that is all he is.

Prodi, knows who will be the loser when Britain withdraws from the EU. Before we actually leave, the lines have been drawn and the first salvos are being fired, the trench warfare is about to begin.

Ultimately, the whole of Europe will lose out when Britain withdraws from the corruption and graft of this navel gazing over-centrist BS bureaucracy, the redistribution of 'wealth' from British taxpayer via Brussels to the southern regions of Italy will and must be halted because it all ends up in the back pockets of the mafia.

As someone said on a blog comment, and unfortunately I forget where [DT maybe and paraphrasing] "the EU is as just like the mafia, except the mafia is more efficient".

Prodi's kin will be missing out in Calabria etc when the British leave the slave Empire.
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#15 Posted : 25 October 2012 18:30:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: vincent Go to Quoted Post
Michael Gove seems to be on the right path though,but no mention of Article 50 exactly, the threat to leave is there...is it what he means?


http://www.dailymail.co....-dramatic-admission.html


It is always interesting to see (not) among all the MSM print about our increasing resistance to the EU interference in our lives and the growing 'firmness' in the government attitude to Europe, there is never any mention of Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty, with the obvious mechanism for a sensible & considered negotiated withdrawal from this undemocratic bureaucratic abomination.
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#16 Posted : 25 October 2012 20:04:34(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Mark B Go to Quoted Post
I guess I am of the suspicious sort. Cameron could not possibly tell his colleagues, MP's and the country, that it is in Britain's best interests to be at the 'top table' of the EU and thereby 'closer' ties to the EU are needed. Otherwise, Britain will be left out in the cold, with no friends etc.

Better to get one's 'friends' to mention it, and all the dire consequences such isolation would entail. Loss of jobs, trade, position etc.

Whenever these people run out of legitimate excuses, they resort to scare tactics or subtle threats. Well, I for one am NOT impressed !

But since when have we the plebs ever mattered in anything ?



That figures, but I'll suggest something less devious.

I get the impression that certain of The Colleagues are a bit fed up that the UK isn't signed up, not for the boat leaving the quay, but the latest optional excursion (UK politicians aren't opposed to the basic idea of going on the holiday).

The Tories are a bit fed up with 'Europe' being too big for its boots and the other colleagues not sensitive to the domestic problems they face.

But basically they are all coming from the same place, the UK will remain a part of the EU come what may. All of what we see is consciously, or unconsciously, smoke and mirrors to suggest some great struggle is going on.
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