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richard
#1 Posted : 31 October 2012 01:42:40(UTC)
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I'm not quite sure what to make of this, but it looks good – especially as Booker has a piece on it.

View full article here

and also ...

Dellers speaks

Over at the Daily Telegraph. His optimism is infectious, but perhaps a tad unrealistic. There has been no change in coalition policy, and there is not likely to be one in the near future.

View full article here






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#2 Posted : 31 October 2012 02:32:43(UTC)
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There's still probably a lot that have been approved that will go ahead anyway but this looks like the tide is finally turning.

Thank god
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#3 Posted : 31 October 2012 09:12:51(UTC)
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I'm not quite sure what to make of this


Surely a glass of champagne is in order given that you and Booker have largely been ploughing a lonely furrow on this for years. At last common sense prevails...though I suppose an element of caution is needed along the lines 'believe it when we see it'
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#4 Posted : 31 October 2012 09:20:03(UTC)
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So they'll build them offshore instead.
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#5 Posted : 31 October 2012 09:25:29(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: stuart Go to Quoted Post
So they'll build them offshore instead.



That is current policy. Hayes frames his announcement in terms of onshore wind giving "offshore wind, solar and tidal power a bad name".

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#6 Posted : 31 October 2012 11:15:00(UTC)
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If the government wants offshore windpower, why doesn't it investigate skysails which don't require big foundations, masts and propellers?

Is there any data on the kilowattage of electricity provided by US East Coast wind turbines during Hurricane Sandy?

According to Stanford Uni, only 144,000 wind turbines would be needed to power the whole East Coast.BigGrin

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Nothing is impossible so long as everybody does exactly what I tell them.
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#7 Posted : 31 October 2012 12:54:48(UTC)
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Before everyone commences dancing around the Maypole (made from Ash trees no doubt!), I would perhaps ask the readers to remember that whilst the Minister says one thing, his boss, the Secretary of State says something completely different; and in addition nary a word has been said by either Georgie Porgie or 'Our' Dave. George holds the purse strings, and Dave has hold of the steering wheel, so if that pair ain't saying anything, I for one wouldn't place too much weight on some jumped-up clown who has only been in office for less than a month.
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#8 Posted : 31 October 2012 12:56:33(UTC)
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When I saw the headline I wondered if it was too good to be true, and now it seems that it might have been:
http://www.guardian.co.u...ergy-policy-row-ed-davey
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#9 Posted : 31 October 2012 13:16:04(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Grandpa1940 Go to Quoted Post

Before everyone commences dancing around the Maypole (made from Ash trees no doubt!), I would perhaps ask the readers to remember that whilst the Minister says one thing, his boss, the Secretary of State says something completely different; and in addition nary a word has been said by either Georgie Porgie or 'Our' Dave. George holds the purse strings, and Dave has hold of the steering wheel, so if that pair ain't saying anything, I for one wouldn't place too much weight on some jumped-up clown who has only been in office for less than a month.


I think it's an accurate statement, bearing in mind that you have to read utterances from any of this crowd like contracts written by a devious lawyer.

Current and PLANNED onshore windfarms will be enough. So more will be erected as they are planned.

The emphasis is to be on offshore wind farms, more expensive, more highly subsidised, all sorts of engineering difficulties in installing and maintaining them but out of sight and no planning complaints.

Onshore windfarms are becoming a political liability, but there's no intention to forget about windfarms altogether.



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#10 Posted : 31 October 2012 16:49:44(UTC)
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After reading all and sundry on this windy-thing, I cannot concentrate, it is worse than that sign above the "Psychology Dept." doors; " Who are you?"
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#11 Posted : 31 October 2012 16:58:09(UTC)
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It really must be like "In the thick of it"... who'd have thought that a government could make so many cockups in such a short space of time? "Thick" is a good description.
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#12 Posted : 31 October 2012 17:49:22(UTC)
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Until those cretins in Westminster fall flat on the floor and beg forgiveness for ever believing in AGW, or that Co2 was anything other than plant food, I will continue to treat everything they say with total contempt.

We are on our knees economically, the vast majority are suffering badly, if we dumped the Swampy energy policy, energy prices would plummet and give a massive boost to the economy.......to anyone with an ounce of common sense it is a no brainer.....yet still the brain dead fools cling to their idiot thinking. They all deserve nothing, but our deepest loathing.

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#13 Posted : 31 October 2012 18:36:55(UTC)
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Oh dear! Crossed signals on the wind as well as on the EU Budget, poor old Dave, my heart goes out to him!

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Meanwhile Germany has just opened second coal power station this year, with 14 more to follow by 2020.

http://notalotofpeoplekn...-2nd-coal-power-station/
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#15 Posted : 31 October 2012 19:52:45(UTC)
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No change?

No change in the government of, the stupid and in alliance with the yellow filth?

Surprised we are not.

Dave. was rattling on about 'our'? No not ours Dave.....those promises were made by the executive and particularly Bliar, Brown, Hilary Benn et al. Said promise, meant Britain [HMG] signing up to a EU diktat/commitment to enabling the provision of 15% [how the hell do they work that out? and couldn't we just fudge whatever targets they set?] of total energy to come from renewable sources, or summat. What happens on a still evening - does the EU fine us for not generating enough power because of the wrong weather?

John Hayes said:

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The energy minister said he had ordered a new analysis of the case for onshore wind power which would form the basis of future government policy, rather than “a bourgeois Left article of faith based on some academic perspective”.


"bourgeois left article of faith base on some academic perspective"

I quite liked that and doesn't that line illuminate exactly where the green psychosis was borne, of the left and propagated within the culture dishes of the 1960's glass and concrete university campuses of the humanities and Sociology faculties. Indeed, this disease has now spread to the Ox-bridge cult. True, pure academia has bitten the dust in this brave new world , that of a new and exciting science and a specially rewritten history and geography.

Logic, empiricism and reason have long since departed most, if not all of our universities.

Will it be back to - the sun going round the earth, they [liberal left 'progressives'] have brought back the witch hunts and all sorts of hocus pocus sorcery - AGW was a perfect fit.

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#16 Posted : 31 October 2012 21:48:56(UTC)
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I recommend Ben Pile's film "Lost Horizons" at http://www.losthorizons.org/

There's some good footage of the choppers at FullaBrooke and also discussions around the proposed Atlantic Array (which is actually the Bristol Channel Array)

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#17 Posted : 01 November 2012 09:33:18(UTC)
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##Shock horror## Daily torygraph reports## Written by Rowena Mason who asks no awkward questions......par for the course @DT cub global warming cuties.barclays

"Tory boy advisor - is a CAGW advocate and has been riding the gravy train forever and a day since someone gave him an economics degree."
Says, fuel bills are high but renewables are 'cheap'? Works as CAGW advocate and do bears s887 in the woods?

Small wonder, that when the tossers in the executive are 'advised' by even more biased shills, tossers with obvious vested interests - then there is simply no hope is there [but are we surprised?]?

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Mr Hayes’s opposition to wind farms was criticised yesterday by scientists, green groups and wind developers.

Prof Michael Grubb, a former government climate adviser, said the Tory minister’s intervention was “nonsensical”.

“At a time of wrenching fuel bills, serious questions need to be asked about why John Hayes is unilaterally advocating a policy to block one of our cheapest renewable energy resources,” he said.


"cheapest energy resources" - I suppose you could argue that statement - but that would be a credulous argument.

Grubb, brown noser and shaped and handsomely paid by brown nosing:
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2002-present Senior Research Associate, Faculty of Economics, Cambridge University

2005-present Chair, Climate Strategies

2002-2009 Chief Economist, the Carbon Trust

2001-present Editor-in-Chief, Climate Policy

1999-2002 Professor of Climate Change and Energy Policy, Imperial College London (continued as Visiting Professor to present)

Prof Grubb gained a PhD from the Cavendish Laboratory in Cambridge and spent ten years at the Royal Institute of International Affairs before gaining his Professorship at Imperial College. During this period he was Lead Author for several reports of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) addressing the economic, technological and social aspects of limiting greenhouse gas emissions. He has also been a member of the Advisory Council, International Association for Energy Economics, and Council Member, British Institute of Energy Economics.



The gravy train chugs on and on.
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#18 Posted : 01 November 2012 12:33:05(UTC)
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Here we go.

Cameron is fully supportive of both Hayes and renewable energy. It's unlikely Hayes would have shot his mouth off and dropped a monkey in Cameron's lap anyway.

http://www.dailymail.co....mise--fury-Lib-Dems.html

The planned onshore installation will go ahead, but Cameron's obviously wary of the backlash caused. The LibDems, silly as ever, are frothing at the mouth over anything they can see as less than total dedication to the nonsense.

As the current and planned installation amounts to a lot, it's at best a slight change in policy coming into effect a way into the future. Expressing an intention to shift the emphasis to offshore renewables isn't exactly a Damascene conversion to rationality.



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#19 Posted : 01 November 2012 13:04:01(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: comet Go to Quoted Post
Here we go.

Cameron is fully supportive of both Hayes and renewable energy. It's unlikely Hayes would have shot his mouth off and dropped a monkey in Cameron's lap anyway.

http://www.dailymail.co....mise--fury-Lib-Dems.html

The planned onshore installation will go ahead, but Cameron's obviously wary of the backlash caused. The LibDems, silly as ever, are frothing at the mouth over anything they can see as less than total dedication to the nonsense.

As the current and planned installation amounts to a lot, it's at best a slight change in policy coming into effect a way into the future. Expressing an intention to shift the emphasis to offshore renewables isn't exactly a Damascene conversion to rationality.






Hayes is a loose cannon. It is entirely in character for the man to shoot his mouth off, which is exactly what he did. He was in Scotland to deliver a speech on renewables, which he had not cleared with his boss. When Davey, he stopped the speech ... it was never delivered. By that time, Hayes had spoken to the Mail, that paper having been alerted by "well-wishers". The rest, as they say, is history.
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Originally Posted by: comet Go to Quoted Post
Here we go.

Cameron is fully supportive of both Hayes and renewable energy. It's unlikely Hayes would have shot his mouth off and dropped a monkey in Cameron's lap anyway.

http://www.dailymail.co....mise--fury-Lib-Dems.html

The planned onshore installation will go ahead, but Cameron's obviously wary of the backlash caused. The LibDems, silly as ever, are frothing at the mouth over anything they can see as less than total dedication to the nonsense.

As the current and planned installation amounts to a lot, it's at best a slight change in policy coming into effect a way into the future. Expressing an intention to shift the emphasis to offshore renewables isn't exactly a Damascene conversion to rationality.





Yes I heard Davey say that wind is still a huge part of the renewable targets come whatever, so we cannot expect them to give that up.So sea wind power looks the only option now...a crazy solution gets even crazier.

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