The Failygraph is offering a mischievous interpretation of comments by William Hague on the EU Referendum question.

Robert Winnett, the papers political editor, claims that the renewal of "consent" from the public on Britains membership of the EU, referred to recently by Mr Cameron, could be in the form of voters backing the Conservatives at the next general election.



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http://www.eureferendum....ogview.aspx?blogno=83209

They don't really have a lot of option ... all parties routinely lie. What we may see is another decline in turnout, as people opt out of the political process altogether. But don't forget that the reason why the media tout the sleb-tat is because their dumbed-down "readers" like it.

There's pretty much complete agreement on the EU between Labour and the Conservatives. The Conservatives have a troublesome element to deal with, but they've managed to fob them off for years by showing a bit of leg on 'Europe' occasionally, then dropping their skirt.

The main thing for the Conservatives to do until the next election is not to drop the ball on the EU, which they have no intention of doing. They're not even going to set up a situation where Labour is passed the ball so that they are bound to drop it.

Being in or out of office is all part of the fun, scoring goals, but dropping the EU ball would spoil the game and would not be considered sportsmanship.

What I worry about Article 50 is that the EU "colleagues" may not point to that. Clearly that is the only realistic way of renegotiating powers, but in essence it's calling Cameron's bluff with the very probable exit of the the UK. Are the EU prepared for that? I know we've always been an awkward partner, maybe best rid of, but then there's our financial contribution particularly significant as the EU's running out of money.

I'm concerned that the "colleagues" will in cahoots with Cameron give some leeway and provide a compromise in terms of, albeit superficial, demands in order to save his face and also keep us on board with le project

They don't want to leave the EU any more than the Conservatives do. Some things are above party politics.

The Conservatives naturally have large anti-EU faction they have to appease. The Labour Party also have an anti-EU faction, but less well defined and it's been far less of a nuisance.

I doubt it's a hornet's nest Labour will want to poke a stick in, especially since it looks like if they shut up and just go along quietly, they'll be in office next time by default.

Ah God the Tories,

Here, we have a political party whose mindset is steadfastly set in a different world - or they are the second biggest set of liars on the planet, coming just after after the Manchester eisteddfod.

Renegotiation is it, well how far did Thatcher get at Maastricht?

Or; Major, Bliar, Brown etc - yep all they 'won' were blank faces, stonewalled rejection, nothing - not a sausage.

Now, that the EU is extended to 27 and we are out of the core 17 - the chances of renegotiation of any EU articles, are to say the least slim or actually nonexistent, equal almost, to seeking permission to build a Catholic Cathedral in Mecca.

Why do the Tories persist with this lie - because that is what it is.

Cameron would not invoke Article 50 as it would declare his hand and also his Lib Dem coalition partners would not support him. He is unable to act and so will keep quiet.